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Hsingai Altaica 6 hrs I'm a linguistic savant(autistic). I got interested in languages to help me communicate. But you what to know what the primary use of language(English atlest) isn't about communicating ideas, to borrow an expression from J.K Rowling. You just point and grunt. You just mention something like the idea(not the idea it self) and inflect.

I heard Ancient Greek wasn't this way? I wonder had prevalent this style of speech is? 7 Comments 11 Like Show more reactions Comment Comments David Thompson David Thompson I'm a linguistic savant.....reads like a self diagnosis (bullshit) to me. 1 Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 6h Hsingai Altaica Hsingai Altaica Sounds like trolling to me. Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 6h Hsingai Altaica Hsingai Altaica Sounds like showing off the ability to read social situations to me.(dang FB won't let you reply to youself.) Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 6h · Edited David Thompson David Thompson Well, were you diagnosed by a professional or not? Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 6h David Thompson David Thompson I also think your profile is fake. Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 6h Hsingai Altaica

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Barbara Need Barbara Need If it is not about communication, then what is it about? 1 Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 6h Hide 15 Replies Hsingai Altaica Hsingai Altaica I'm sorry I forgot this wasn't a scientific group. Communication in information theory is all about transferring a symbol from a source to a destination. see "A Mathematical Theory of Communication" by Claude E. Shannon for more(some would say all details). It's not communicating in the sense that it's not about putting an idea from the speakers mind into the listeners mind. It's about trying to invoke a specific emotion in the listener.

Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 6h · Edited Ana Alvarez Burguete Ana Alvarez Burguete I think you are mixing the meaning of “communication” and “language”. Pointing and grunting can be communication, if there is intention and the situation is right. Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 6h Barbara Need Barbara Need Hsingai: Really? According to whom? How does language (and I am using a scientific meaning here—syntax, semantics, etc.) convey emotion? Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 6h Ivo Tralić Ivo Tralić Uhh... communication is all about transferring intended meaning, SOMETIMES using symbols. Why are you trolling? Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 6h Barbara Need Barbara Need Who do you consider to be trolling? Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 6h Hsingai Altaica Hsingai Altaica Barbara Need I'm sorry I forgot this wasn't a scientific group. 'inflect' means "to vary the intonation or pitch of (the voice), especially to express mood or feeling." Ivo Tralić Sometime it does but not often. I would say it is communication if the idea was to transfer an idea to another person, even is that idea was"I want you to feel this way" but it's not. And I was trolling for the same reason you are an imbecile. And now i'm troll because that seems to be the in thing right now and I wont to be sociable.

Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 5h · Edited Ivo Tralić Ivo Tralić Barbara Need Sorry, forgot to address my post. Hsingai is the one. Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 6h Barbara Need Barbara Need I am a linguist—and an English teacher. Inflection has two meanings: pitch or using inflectional morphology. I am trying to understand the distinction you are making—and failing. Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 5h Hsingai Altaica Hsingai Altaica Barbara NeedSorry I was still editing and accidentally hit enter. I edited the post are you still unclear? Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 5h Hsingai Altaica Hsingai Altaica In case anyone is unclear. people mostly talk not to say what their words mean but solely so that they have something to inflect. Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 5h Barbara Need Barbara Need Well, I disagree. (And "something to inflect" is not idiomatic English.) 1 Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 5h Ana Alvarez Burguete Ana Alvarez Burguete Hsingai Altaica of course there is more to the meaning of a sentence than the isolated meaning of each word! But I am afraid it’s not a new discovery you have just made... Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 5h Hsingai Altaica Hsingai Altaica Barbara Need It parses correctly. http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/submit-sentence-4.html So it is formally correct usage.In case you missed it I'm an expert at the formalities of language use. As an autistic is should be obvious that I'm totally inept at the social subtleties of language use. Which case in point that was the subtle message I was trying to convey. Manage LINK.CS.CMU.EDU Parse a sentence LikeShow more reactions · Reply · Remove Preview · 3h · Edited Hsingai Altaica Hsingai Altaica Ana Alvarez Burguete IT's news to me that the meaning of the sentence is completely incidental to what the speaker is trying to tell you. I know they say "The non-verbal component was made up of body language (55 percent) and tone of voice (38 percent)." But there estimation is off for causal conversations it's 99.9999999% Non-verbal. I wish someone had let me know that before I wasted my time on learning what the words ment. Hyperlexia my ass. Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 5h · Edited Ana Alvarez Burguete Ana Alvarez Burguete Hsingai Altaica that’s probable because of ASD, we’ll done for figuring it out, language is amazing 😃 Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 5h Hsingai Altaica

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Daniel Harbour Daniel Harbour An outlandish claim (English isn't about communicating), “bolstered” by an allusion to a nonlinguist's views about language (Rowling), followed by an incoherent question (which no linguistic savant could ever ask)—and all with numerous basic linguistic errors. Admins, please slay the troll if this question isn’t corrected to something coherent shortly. 1 Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 5h Hsingai Altaica Hsingai Altaica Daniel Harbour Maybe I should have said a linguistics Savant to be more clear? not that I dough it would help. And I channel you to point out any errors in the formalities of my reposes. Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 3h · Edited David Thompson David Thompson No, you are not a language/polyglot savant. You're full of shit. That's what we are saying. 1 Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 4h Hsingai Altaica

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Shahram Salehizadeh Shahram SalehizadehShahram and 15 others joined Linguists within the last two weeks. Give them a warm welcome into your community! We use speech acts to get things done, suggest something, make promises and give a warning. They are definitely used to communicate meaning. If someone says" be careful. That car is reversing". And if you don't get the sheer meaning, you may join the majority. 😂😂😂 Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 5h Hsingai Altaica Hsingai Altaica I don't buy your argument that you can't suffer from tachyphemia and be knowledgeable about linguistics. And I know the Tachyphemia only formally only refers to speech. but it is caused by thinking faster then your body can keep up(see Some Problems of Cluttering by Langová J. · Morávek M. ) with so see the previous arguments that speech isn't always about the literal meaning of the words. Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 4h · Edited Tracy Canfield Tracy Canfield well, this dude's primary use of English is trolling, so there's that 1 Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 4h Hsingai Altaica Hsingai Altaica Tracy Canfield Are you agreeing with me? 1 Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 4h

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Hsingai Altaica 3 hrs I said what I meant,it's not my fault you didn't hear what I meant.

What I meant to say is that is A valid parsing of what I said. Shouldn't that be enough. It seams unfair to put the burden of hearing the correct meaning on me sense I'm not the one doing it.

But I know life isn't fair. 6 Comments Like Show more reactions Comment Comments Ivo Tralić Ivo Tralić The burden is on both interlocutors as the message is supposed to be produced in a way that clearly conveys meaning, at least just as much as it is supposed to be decoded correctly upon reception. Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 3h · Edited Jeff Allen Jeff Allen There were issues with the content of your message about meaning, communication, and sound inflections. Plenty of typos, spelling errors, incomplete grammatical constructions which make it hard to understand. These points were however not the heart of the issue.

You came to this group claiming to be a linguistic savant from the first sentence. That means: you guys are not intelligent

Then you stated more than once that you forgot that this isn’t a scientific group. That means: you guys are stupid

Then you called someone an imbecile.

Then you say that you troll the group because it the in thing and you want to be sociable.

Several claims that you are autistic but you didn’t reply to the question if you were professionally diagnosed as an autistic linguistic savant.

And then silence. No one answers your further questions. Why? Well, people don’t like to be made fun of in special interest groups.

So, now a second post where you claim to not be responsible for the message that was received. Add to that: life isn’t fair.

I could write about the scientific factors in telecommunication. The general idea is that your signal isn’t completing the reception and interpretation phase by the receiver due to other social factors which one can be learn to identify and apply.

But if you write these off as only being the fault of others, it won’t help the communication process for the long term.

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Hsingai Altaica 'You came to this group claiming to be a linguistic savant from the first sentence. That means: you guys are not intelligent' No it means I'm smarter than you. "Then you stated more than once that you forgot that this isn’t a scientific group. That means: you guys are stupid' It means you guys are not familiar with scientific jargon. "Then you called someone an imbecile."I meant that "I'm being a troll because I'm trying my best not to be but failing at it." He is an imbecile from my perspective because he can't parse my sentences correctly, something I could have easily done, and as I use myself as a measuring stick, like all humans, he comes up deficient in the brains department. which I knew wasn't true but I already admitted that I was intentionally trolling him at that point.

Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 1h Hsingai Altaica Hsingai Altaica THe point of adding the 'but Life isn't fair' bit was to take responsibility. I have been professionally diagnosed as Autistic and there isn't a DSM category of linguistic savant so I think it's unfair for you to ask for 'professionally' diagnosis that's that specific. I have been referred to as gifted in the rules of English but still unable to communicate clearly. And I didn't want to feed the trolls, only mock them.

André Müller To me, someone "gifted in English" is someone who can express themselves really well, who has an excellent command of words and grammar, who is a good speller and writes better than most native people.

Your writing makes you look like a dyslexic non-native. Not that that is a bad thing, but I fail to see any "giftedness in the rules of English" in your posts.

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Hsingai Altaica André Müller I am Dyslexic.

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André Müller Hsingai Altaica So what makes you a savant?

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Hsingai Altaica André Müller You're confusing formal grammatically with fluency. That's like saying Superman isn't strong because he pants while lifting 1000 pounds. I'm an expert(able to do good work, all be it with some effort) at the formal rules of languages.

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André Müller Hsingai Altaica I see. So that is why you have difficulties in expressing yourself and understanding others. You might be interested in learning stenography (shorthand) or learning to type really fast so you can quickly type out what you actually want to say.

Maybe then others could understand you better. I also intend to use shorthand (I'm learning it) to write down notes faster or write down what people say in real-time. Manage

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André Müller But what you have, isn't a savant trait at all, because many neurotypical people are capable of that and do it. Savants are people who have extraordinary capabilities not found in neurotypical people.

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Hsingai Altaica André Müller NT are not CAPABLE of saying literally what they mean practically all the time. They of unable to put their ideas into words.

André Müller Hsingai Altaica Can you quote that? It might be a philosophy, but it's certainly not a trait typical of Ancient Greek, which has lots of metaphors and other non-literal elements. A language where people really tend to say literally what they mean, is Esperanto. For it to be international, metaphors and phraseologisms are avoided because they're usually culture-specific and based on natural languages. There are a few phraseologisms that pertain to the Esperanto culture, but they're quite few. The topic might be interesting to you.

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André Müller Hsingai Altaica Can you give some examples?

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André Müller Hsingai Altaica Sorry, but I don't understand what you're saying (again)... It's really hard to follow what you say, sometimes. Could you revise your sentences and correct the mistakes, please? Maybe it gets clearer then...

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André Müller (I answers both your last comments in order)

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Hsingai Altaica André MüllerBy metaphor I meant "a thing regarded as representative or symbolic of something else, especially something abstract." Obviously they are use using "a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable." Which is what I believe is what the AGs meant by barbarian. The only non literal used by the AGs would be in puns. But they(puns) are more like intentional typos, rather than using a meaning that is not it's literal meaning.

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Hsingai Altaica André Müller I geuss you missed it. 'e.g. If a meant"she moved with feline grace" I don't say. "She moved like a dog."

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Hsingai Altaica André Müller google "'speak greek well"barbarian'. NT aren't using Metaphors, they are just being sloppy.

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André Müller Hsingai Altaica You're overgeneralizing heavily here. This is already something that goes against your claim of speaking literally all the time.

But read my comment again — it might be a Greek philosophy (of a certain time and school), but it's not an inherent trait of the Greeks or their language.

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MAndré Müller Hsingai Altaica To correct your statement: "NT *are* using metaphors, but some of them are being sloppy."

But being sloppy is a natural feature of all human languages — google "Gricean Maximes".

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MAndré Müller ...and that statement about NTs is equally true of most autistic people, including you. You're being sloppy as well in your language use. And I don't mean the odd spelling or grammar mistakes.

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MHsingai Altaica André Müller I said I speak literally all the time not that I only speak only literally. Words can have more than one meaning, haven't you heard of a pun. As I said I heard it, I didn't say a heard it correctly. And Metaphors can be point to the exact means they the speaker intends, which is what I meant by they are sloppy, which is what I meant by not literal.

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MHsingai Altaica André Müller By metaphor I meant "a thing regarded as representative or symbolic of something else, especially something abstract." Obviously they are use using "a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable." Which is what I believe is what the AGs meant by barbarian. The only non literal use would be in puns. But they are more like intentional typos. that using a meaning that is not it's literal meaning.

André Müller Hsingai Altaica Can you give some examples?

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André Müller Hsingai Altaica Sorry, but I don't understand what you're saying (again)... It's really hard to follow what you say, sometimes. Could you revise your sentences and correct the mistakes, please? Maybe it gets clearer then...

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André Müller (I answered both your last comments in reverse order; they were first displayed to me in the opposite order)

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Hsingai Altaica André MüllerBy metaphor I meant "a thing regarded as representative or symbolic of something else, especially something abstract." Obviously they are use using "a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it …See More

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Hsingai Altaica André Müller I geuss you missed it. 'e.g. If a meant"she moved with feline grace" I don't say. "She moved like a dog."'

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Hsingai Altaica André Müller You meant examples of puns? For example, in B48, Heraclitus plays on the words βιός (the Homeric word for bow) and βίος (life)

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Hsingai Altaica André Müller I said 'I speak in a literal style all the time' not that 'I only speak only literally.' Words can have more than one meaning. Or haven't you heard of puns. As I said 'I heard it', I didn't say "I heard it correctly". And Metaphors can be point to the exact means that the speaker intends, which is what I meant by 'they are sloppy', which is what I meant by 'not literal'. e.g. If I meant, "she moved with feline grace," I don't say, "She moved like a dog."

Manage Like · Reply · 1m Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 1h Hsingai Altaica Hsingai Altaica Jeff AllenYou're confusing the idea that 'I think should be right' with 'I think I am right' You aren't taking me literally despite me asking repeatedly. Like a said implicitly, I'm able to correct my own errors with great skill, once I notice them. Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 48m · Edited Hsingai Altaica Hsingai Altaica You guys already got MY(capitalized for emphasis) public apology(in a form that wasn't off topic for the group), what more do you ask from me? Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 39m Hsingai Altaica Hsingai Altaica Did Jeff Allen just successfully troll me? Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 8m Hsingai Altaica

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